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# Aug 26th 2019, 13:48 admad i strong suggest you do the CMS tutorial first to understand the basics of using the framework
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:40 davorminchorov I'll go with patchEntity(), I thought it was related to the model itself, a misunderstanding on my part. Nope, haven't done the CMS tutorial yet, will look into it whenever I get some free time. Learning the framework on the go as I need. Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it.
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:37 admad why are you not using `patchEntity()` already before saving and entity? :slightly_smiling_face: Have you done the CMS tutorial on the manual?
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:35 ricksaccous prob makes more sense to just use patchEntity ;)
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:35 davorminchorov Ah right
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:35 ricksaccous and redefining the schema/etc
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:35 ricksaccous as in writing a model-less form class
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:34 davorminchorov extra work as in writing custom validation rules?
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:34 ricksaccous well you could but you have to do extra work
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:34 ricksaccous yeah, patchEntity might be a bit nicer because you get the form magic along with it, that you wouldn't otherwise
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:33 davorminchorov but I can do the same with the form objects as well
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:33 davorminchorov I guess I could use the patchEntity() method to validate the request before sending the data for saving in the queue itself
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:31 admad the validation stuff is even available as a standalone lib https://github.com/cakephp/validation
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:30 admad @davorminchorov as @ricksaccous pointed out the model validations actually validated the request data that is passed in, not the entity properties
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:23 ricksaccous also patchEntity is the default way to apply validation before saving
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:16 ricksaccous @davorminchorov all validation in cake is technically request validation by your definition i believe, the validation just really needs an array of keys, but yeah you are looking for model-less forms
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:10 hmic https://book.cakephp.org/3.0/en/core-libraries/form.html
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:09 davorminchorov oh cool, I'll check it out
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:09 hmic tableless forms
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:09 hmic actually theres docs on that usecase if i rmember correctly
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:09 hmic however, I guess you can reuse the validation without a table involved.
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:08 hmic that's still validation happening then. no need to do that similarly in another place again
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:08 davorminchorov Form Request is just a name for the class they use as a convention, does not have to be a form specifically
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:07 hmic i don't know about laravel, and i don't think it makes sense to couple that to forms specifically. though forms could be used to auto-generate this to some degree
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:07 davorminchorov The scenario is: I need to validate the data before I pass it to the queue for saving
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:06 hmic well, request introspection is easy to implement, just building your rules will be some effort
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:06 davorminchorov Yeah, something similar to Laravel's Form Request classes and the rules you apply before the request hits the controller method
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:06 hmic but you would not do that for add/edit only, probably. it's usefull for every request
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:05 davorminchorov yeah
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:05 davorminchorov which can be controlled separately
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:05 hmic so you define valid requests upfront, maybe per action. cool thing!
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:05 davorminchorov validation that happens before the save / update occurs
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:05 hmic nice idea. like an application level firewall
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:04 admad what do you mean by request validation?
# Aug 26th 2019, 13:01 davorminchorov Hi, is there request validation in CakePHP 3.8? I can only see model validation in the docs
# Aug 26th 2019, 11:47 alexdd55976 one work day in the trash
# Aug 26th 2019, 11:47 alexdd55976 last week i spend a whole day trying to authenticate against LDAP/AD ... today i got a message, that the auth is not available to users due to special rights
# Aug 26th 2019, 11:01 martin I think webservice is easier? most of the orm already support it? just implement it in the webservice driver I think
# Aug 26th 2019, 10:19 challgren Ok so heres a question for yall. QBO has a webservice XML and JSON, to access this webservice the “queries” are a modified variant of SQL. Would it be better to write a ORM Driver or Build off of https://github.com/UseMuffin/Webservice
# Aug 26th 2019, 09:37 challgren And https://github.com/cakephp/cakephp/blob/master/src/Http/Session.php#L36
# Aug 26th 2019, 09:36 challgren https://github.com/cakephp/cakephp/blob/master/src/Http/ServerRequest.php#L323