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Jul 12th 2018, 13:55 |
 flavius |
can you give me a draft? ill just attach it to the contract :,) |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:53 |
josbeir |
let them sign a browser policy before you start coding :) |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:53 |
flavius |
sometimes i want to use full es6 and es7 and then some client complains that windows mobile browser wont display correctly and then i cry internally :P |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:48 |
josbeir |
^^ |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:48 |
itmpls |
to each his/her own :slightly_smiling_face: |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:47 |
flavius |
just like @admad said `$('form')` is way shorter than the alternative |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:46 |
flavius |
it also unifies some aspects and makes it faster to write code |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:46 |
josbeir |
i get that |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:46 |
flavius |
jquery for me is like a polyfill |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:43 |
josbeir |
there's a reason why all big js frameworks are not depending on jquery... |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:43 |
josbeir |
most 'sane' browsers have good support |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:43 |
josbeir |
but we are now 2018 |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:42 |
josbeir |
yeah @flavius it all depends |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:42 |
josbeir |
if i don't have the luxury to invest in a nice js stack i'll just include $ and get going |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:42 |
flavius |
and you'll get a user with some random browser that will complain of errors :P |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:41 |
josbeir |
it all depends, as i stated before, but if i'm working on a personal project where everthing needs to be _perfect_ i wont pick good 'ol $ anymore |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:41 |
admad |
https://code.jquery.com/jquery-3.3.1.slim.min.js is just 68kb. I for one am gonna waste time selecting another lib to maybe say a couple of dozen Kbs more at best |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:39 |
josbeir |
but given we now have webpack with babel etc you only include the functions you need |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:39 |
flavius |
true, jquery is a library |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:39 |
josbeir |
there are enough of those out there |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:39 |
josbeir |
nope |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
admad |
"just a simple utility lib with some dom manipulation wrappers is good enough" so you mean making your own poor version of jquery slim? :P |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
josbeir |
jquery is just a wrapper over vanilla js |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
josbeir |
vue, angular, ember are frameworks |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
josbeir |
jquery isnt a framework |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
flavius |
lul, jquery is also a framework |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
josbeir |
thats not a comparison ! |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:38 |
flavius |
hey, i've got an idea, why use frameworks, just use vanilla instead, screw cakephp :slightly_smiling_face: |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:37 |
josbeir |
don't get me wrong, still use it from time to time, but try to do it whitout in a new project, you'll see the benefits |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:36 |
josbeir |
and 100kb less :P |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:36 |
josbeir |
verbosity is not always a bad thing. |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:36 |
josbeir |
just a simple utility lib with some dom manipulation wrappers is good enough |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:36 |
admad |
`$('form')` is lot less to type than `document.querySelector('form')` and I am lazy :slightly_smiling_face: |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:36 |
josbeir |
its true but now ppl should unlearn jquery... |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:35 |
itmpls |
and yeah, they should learn JS |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:35 |
itmpls |
but anyway we can't change history |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:35 |
itmpls |
the problem is, browsers should've just been more consistent in the beginning otherwise there'd be no jquery |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:34 |
admad |
@rogerpro it's an abomination |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:34 |
josbeir |
its just lame that, easpecially new developers think that jquery is a language, some havent even heard of javascript, and jquery is still poluting the overall javascript community on the web imo |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:34 |
rogerpro |
white chocolate is not chocolate |
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Jul 12th 2018, 13:32 |
josbeir |
too much metaphors ! |