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Jun 27th 2017, 09:20 |
 stefanvangastel |
Fyi: We use Mattermost because its an offline on-premise tool that ships with Gitlab :) |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
savant |
there were other alternatives - like rocketchat, a better irc interface, etc. |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
hmic |
like i said, i do not want a discussion of the topic (again). |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
dakota |
biggest advantage of slack for me is that I can have cakephp slack, work slack, South african developer slack, etc. all in a single application with no need to worry about maintaining servers, etc. |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
savant |
so we wanted to pick something with mindshare |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
savant |
we’d wager many startups - at least in the us - are doing the same |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
savant |
most use irc or slack, and its heavily towards slack |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
savant |
none of the core team uses mattermost at work |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:19 |
savant |
that was another thing |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:18 |
savant |
at least with slack they are making money on those of us that use slack at work |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:18 |
savant |
since its running on much lower margins |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:18 |
bravo-kernel |
@hmic exactly... keep in control of the content :white_check_mark: |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:18 |
savant |
in fact, I’d say its in bigger danger of that |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:18 |
bravo-kernel |
and would rather prefer to have access to the irc datasource ;) |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:18 |
savant |
nothing is stopping mattermost from failing as a business, or raising it’s rates |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
bravo-kernel |
I have offered helping out with the sysop part in the past, |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
savant |
also, you end up having the same business model problem as slack |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
savant |
but I’d rather our money go to something else, like the cakephp conference, or ice cream |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
savant |
its relatively cheap, so thats good |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
savant |
or we pay for the serivce |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
savant |
we’d either need to self-host (boo, we dont have time) |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:17 |
savant |
hmic: there are a few problems with mattermost |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:16 |
bravo-kernel |
the good thing about cake-irc is that is has always been there and content is in own management |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:16 |
savant |
if you want to write a slack bot that imports all the things, cool |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:16 |
hmic |
bravo-kernel: if you want that, you need to switch to mattermost and not use slack. - it can import slack history even! |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:15 |
bravo-kernel |
besides the fact that it has been unavailable many times it lacks the power of cake irc IMO, full control, ownership |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:14 |
bravo-kernel |
actually I have looked at that too |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:14 |
savant |
bravo-kernel https://slackarchive.io/ |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:14 |
bravo-kernel |
have visualized that for years. Pimp the irc logs, then point everybody to there, no point in re-typing all those answers |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:13 |
savant |
meh |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:13 |
savant |
embeds dont get sent to irc |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:13 |
bravo-kernel |
I think it would be awesome to create a crud-api providing the IRC content, then add some snappy frontend |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:11 |
bravo-kernel |
the content is priceless, no doubt |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:11 |
bravo-kernel |
it would be nice if the chat-history would be accessible somehow, maybe even rewrite the thing |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:10 |
hmic |
savant: not everything on slack goes through the bot |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:10 |
bravo-kernel |
and... is a bit outdated as such imo, no offense meant here |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:10 |
bravo-kernel |
I've been using that for years |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:10 |
hmic |
just a reminder on the slack ppl: there are others on irc that cannot see everything slack ppl see and have a different output altogether, so please bear with us. use gist for code thats more than a line or two... cannot be this difficult... |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:10 |
savant |
i need to add a little irc icon |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:10 |
savant |
http://irc.cakephp.org/ |
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Jun 27th 2017, 09:09 |
bravo-kernel |
@savant I know |