Log message #3149357

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# Jan 30th 2014, 04:14 voycey but yes inside of label elements: https://gist.github.com/voycey/a456a7f5661d8f0f18a0
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:14 voycey hmm actually we are mostly using labels
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:14 markstory yeah hiphop is quite fast
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:13 BackEndCoder i was quite pleased
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:13 BackEndCoder i got my normal 200ms down to 50
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:13 BackEndCoder maybe they will stop being so mean about cake
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:13 BackEndCoder but saying that.. after experiementing with hiphop recently
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:13 BackEndCoder aye
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:13 markstory the rest is meh
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:12 markstory I only use the link generation
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:12 BackEndCoder all them 2ms added up on my larger apps
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:12 BackEndCoder for the same reason
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:12 BackEndCoder i don't use the html helper anymore
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:12 BackEndCoder and the form helper isn't the fastest racehorse
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:12 markstory somewhat true, less code executed is often faster.
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:11 BackEndCoder the quicker it would render
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:11 BackEndCoder the less cake had to parse
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:11 BackEndCoder i always had this thing in my head
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:10 BackEndCoder i just thought they were labels
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:10 BackEndCoder i had no idea they were clickable
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:10 BackEndCoder no you are totatlly right, it silly of me to redo them.
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:10 voycey ive had a UX person do all the views pretty much - ill find some examples of forms and gist them for you
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:10 markstory I ask because I'm in the midst of rebuilding formhelper. Good to know what people do.
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 voycey umm - haha let me check
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 BackEndCoder thanks for improving my userbility testing
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 markstory voycey: so you put the inputs inside the label elements?
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 voycey I just leave it to the UX bods
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 BackEndCoder so yes, to answer your orignal question. i wasn't aware that labels were special. and i will now try and use the labels provided with the cake form helper and not overide them
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 voycey I think we do a mix when its quite obvious
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:09 voycey cake produces good html for it - its all about RAD after all - we mostly create our own labels around it on the project we have done if we use them - otherwise we use placeholders
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:08 markstory I sometimes forget what I'm supposed to put in the fields.
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:08 BackEndCoder i didn't even know
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:08 BackEndCoder as they do clicky stuff
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:08 BackEndCoder and why you should use the ones inside cake
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:08 markstory I dislike placeholders with no label personally
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:08 BackEndCoder see now i get it
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:07 voycey We dont often use labels for some form fields but use placeholders aswell but mark is right - labels should always be clickable to bring focus to the field
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:07 BackEndCoder but mark. i'm always trying to improve. and i seem to fail on the simple things i will look into trying to code in a better standard. thank you
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:05 BackEndCoder i do use labels tho.. i just don't let cake make them for me
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:05 voycey Urgh - doesnt anyone elses skype on Linux freeze and crash silently?
# Jan 30th 2014, 04:05 BackEndCoder and i should start using them properlu