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Sep 12th 2009, 16:43 |
unclezoot |
i just remember a yahoo article where they said that caching wasnt always the solution, because it presupposes that someone has already made that cache already, in other words, if the user experience is bad on the 1st time they might not come back for the 2nd anyway |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:43 |
AD7six |
personally, I treat the entire webroot as a cache folder |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:42 |
BlackIce |
besides that it won't be worth it in messyness and maintainability |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:42 |
BlackIce |
compared to using a cache instead of database for example |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:42 |
BlackIce |
and the init of a class is very quick, you won't win much there |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:41 |
BlackIce |
unclezoot: there are opcode cachers like APC for that |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:41 |
dogmatic69 |
php has almost no over head... cake is fast |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:41 |
unclezoot |
ad7, that sounds like a good compromise |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:41 |
AD7six |
unclezoot: a slim controller and debug = 0 means very little overhead |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:40 |
unclezoot |
well i was thinking more of the overhead of all the dispatcher initialization etc, just to return a list of db results |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:40 |
AD7six |
if you want to be as fast as possible on request 2+ |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:40 |
AD7six |
unclezoot: make it a get request (/x/whatevertheytyped.json), and when you server it write it to the webroot too webroot/x/whatevertheytyped.json) |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:40 |
BlackIce |
what I just said isn't exactly true, but going around cake because your db is slow means your db needs improvement |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:39 |
BlackIce |
your problem* |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:39 |
BlackIce |
you problem won't be just that autosuggest |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:39 |
dogmatic69 |
unclezoot: it will just make a mess |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:39 |
BlackIce |
basically, if you have to go around cake you've got a database structure problem |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:39 |
BlackIce |
unclezoot: what size of table are we talking about? |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:39 |
unclezoot |
yeah i spose, i was just wondering if there's ever any merit in going around cake, specifically for ajax results |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:38 |
unclezoot |
which initially could be very small, but potentially could be very big |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:38 |
dogmatic69 |
you will only return 20 max anyway or your sugest list will be to long |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:38 |
BlackIce |
unclezoot: a mysql index on the first 3 letters would considerably speed that up even without caching |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:38 |
unclezoot |
i type in 3 letters into an input and i want to ajax request the possibilities against a 'tags' table say |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:37 |
AD7six |
unclezoot: I don't follow your example |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:37 |
BlackIce |
what kind of table? |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:37 |
unclezoot |
that's 26^3 permutations |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:37 |
unclezoot |
but say an autosuggest feature where you check for every possible match after the first 3 letters |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:37 |
BlackIce |
unclezoot: so are we :P |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:36 |
unclezoot |
hey guys, im just throwing ideas around im not attacking cake - call off the dogs! :) |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:36 |
BlackIce |
when an item is added to the table that you do the autosuggest on, for example |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:36 |
BlackIce |
and you can cache beforehand |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:36 |
BlackIce |
the first request will be slower, the next wont |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:35 |
dogmatic69 |
with no cache even |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:35 |
BlackIce |
how many items do you need to search? |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:35 |
dogmatic69 |
i find my ajax on cake apps is super fast |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:35 |
unclezoot |
plus, the first request would still be slow as it wouldnt exist in the cache yet |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:35 |
unclezoot |
but say you want an autosuggest feature, then you'd have to cache every attempt no? |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:34 |
BlackIce |
I'd try caching first |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:34 |
BlackIce |
going around cake would be going around the coding easy and maintainability, that's not good |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:33 |
BlackIce |
if you want more speed you can cache |
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Sep 12th 2009, 16:33 |
BlackIce |
nope |