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# Aug 7th 2008, 04:31 Martz poluta1: and if you try and implement it and get any errors, please bin your code of what you have (app controller, app model, and any models using it)
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:31 stevieboy pgcd: i meant you are wrong. foreach is usefull and the right approach for that
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:31 Martz JeffEmbracedDC: i ran away from HABTM and any complex queries I'd need for them a long time ago ;) Life is too short for HABTM! ;)
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:32 JeffEmbracedDC Martz: hah really? hmm
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:32 pgcd stevieboy: =) i'll use it... honestly, it's just that i'm so new to cakephp that I always expect there's a "neater" way of doing everything
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:33 stevieboy pgcd: cake helps with data retrival and so on. in the view it's mostly normal php with the vars
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:33 pgcd speed and memory usage of foreach don't worry me in this case, seeing as it's gonna be 3/4 records at most for every loop
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:33 Martz JeffEmbracedDC: yeah. I tend to make my schema now with a 3rd real model instead of a join table, so that I can add meta data, easily define complex conditions etc
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:34 JeffEmbracedDC Martz: well...... are you familiar with 'with' associations? which allow for added meta data and faux model access of the join table?
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:34 Martz JeffEmbracedDC: the downside, which someone pointed out to me, is that mysql isnt able to "ensure integrity" of not having the same 2 foreign keys, since they are not primary keys like in a HABTM join table. However that is solveable with validaiton and checking at the PHP level
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:35 Martz JeffEmbracedDC: im aware it exists, I played with it, but I dont use it
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:35 JeffEmbracedDC Martz: Gotchya
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:35 alkemann Martz: JeffEmbracedDC when using a with I have been forced to add an id field and put it as primary key, but that has worked well
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:35 pgcd stevieboy: that is good advice - it might save me a lot of time down the road if i just *do* things instead of perusing manual api and google to see if there's something else that does it
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:36 pgcd as somebody said, sometime it's quicker to just reinvent the wheel =)
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:36 stevieboy pgcd: it's always good to have an open eye. but mostly you can check the manual for the helpers provided. if you arent lucky there, try it the normal way
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:36 JeffEmbracedDC alkemann: works great in my opinion.. only downside I've come across so far.. is.. I'm not sure how you add beforeSave/afterSave/whatever functions to the faux model.. or if it's possible at all.
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:36 alkemann JeffEmbracedDC: u can make the with model in same way as other models
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:36 alkemann in fact cake makes a model for all habtm relationships
# Aug 7th 2008, 04:37 alkemann Users HABTM Groups => Model UsersGroup