Log message #4218662

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# Dec 13th 2019, 16:29 challgren https://github.com/cakephp/upgrade
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:29 sean.kelly To minimize surprises: it's a huge app, it requires extensive testing with pair of people with QA scripts, because I have zero experience with CakePHP, and barely even more with PHP itself—and the last time I made a big version jump it was an enormous headache. If Paul Hollywood were critiquing it, he'd say it was both overbaked and had a soggy bottom.
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:29 damiano awesome!
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:28 challgren 4 will provide tools to upgrade from 3.8
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:28 ricksaccous that being said I encourage you to use the knew authentication/authorization, it isn't so bad
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:27 ricksaccous because i know there will be a LOT of changes to start with 4 after it comes out
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:27 ricksaccous @damiano you'll be good with the latest 3.x i personally don't want to jump to 4 until there are at least a couple versions out
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:27 damiano *too
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:27 damiano :)
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:27 damiano oh i am talking about 4.x and there is still discussions on 2.4 :) i think i was going to fast
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:27 ricksaccous or whatever latest 2.x is
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:26 ricksaccous because you read the migration notes for each version/etc
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:26 ricksaccous or are you migrating in small version jumps
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:26 ricksaccous why not just make the jump to 2.8
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:24 sean.kelly Curiously, the problem seems to be in 2.4.10 itself. If I deploy a raw (sorry, wrong terminology for this group—an "unmodified") Cake app, I gt the same problem. Going to 2.4.9 is fine, though.
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:24 sean.kelly @ricksaccous … tried that earlier—big mistake! Going piecemeal resulted in a lot more sanity. Thanks though! ;)
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:20 damiano thank you!
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:20 damiano yeah ok
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:20 storkovo you will not have to “start it again”, don’t worry :) Right now, you want something you know, is pretty well documented, does have support, and is released as stable version - to get your app out of the door first.
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:18 damiano @storkovo yes you are right i think, i just asked because it is a new project and i hope it will be online for a long time, so starting again in 3 months it is a waste of time ...but, ok, i will go with 3.8
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:16 storkovo yes - and I insist that you do not want to mess with these new approaches (unknown to you ATM) while they are unstable
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:15 damiano now there are plugins, policies etc..
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:15 damiano @storkovo ok but for example i read that for authentication / authorization everything is changed
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:13 storkovo honestly, in measures of 2months projects, I think migration 3=>4 will be piece of cake - build your app with 3.x without usage of deprecated things, and you will be good with smooth transition to 4.x later
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:13 damiano should i rewrite everything... ?
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:12 damiano no?
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:12 damiano i read it is not backward compatible, so it sounds dangerous :)
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:11 damiano i know, but i am saying that i would avoid rewrite everything from zero if it iwll be released in ex. 3 months
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:11 damiano break
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:11 storkovo release = when it is done
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:11 damiano does it brek everything?
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:11 damiano @storkovo hmm and what about it will be released?
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:10 damiano i do not use other plugin, just the "base setup"
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:10 storkovo then 4.x it is bad idea
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:10 damiano i know nothing about humidity of Madagscar :) but i can say that the project should be live in about 2 months
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:09 storkovo depends (on project deadline, opensource plugins you want to use, seniority of developers, humidity above Madagascar etc.)
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:09 damiano the last RC has been released so i think the 4.x will be available early
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:08 damiano no?
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:08 damiano so it is pointless starting with 3.8 ?
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:08 damiano i read that 4.x is not backward compatible with 3.x
# Dec 13th 2019, 16:05 damiano Guys, make any sense start new project with cake 4? is it too early?